Ep #217: The Power of Mental Fortitude with NYAR Ambassador Rebecca Wallenfelsz

Welcome to The Not Your Average Runner Podcast. If you’re a woman who has never felt athletic but you still dream about becoming a runner, you are in the right place. I’m Jill Angie, a certified running and life coach, and I teach women how to start running, feel confident, and change their lives. And now I want to help you.

Hey Rebels, so I am back this week with another amazing Not Your Average Runner ambassador, her name is Rebecca Wallenfelsz. And we actually just got back from a trip to Wisconsin where we both got to run together in the woods. Which was amazing and we’re going to talk about that later.

But first I would love for you to hear Rebecca’s running story because it’s a really, really good one and I think it’s something that most people can relate to. So Rebecca, thank you. Welcome to the show, I’m so glad to have you here.

Rebecca: I am so excited and thrilled to be here.

Jill: Yay! So let’s just dive right in. Tell us what it was like for you as a runner before we started working together. Before you ever joined the Rebel Runner Roadmap, like back when you were running on your own. Tell us everything.

Rebecca: Okay, so I always wanted to be a runner, but I never really thought that I was until I joined your program. And a lot of that started with just a fear of, you know, let’s go back to childhood. Why not start with like high school, right?

When I was a freshman and I tried out for the track team, and I was promptly assigned to shot put and discus. Basically not allowed to run because I am short and curvy, even back then. And so that’s what I did. But I still always wanted to be athletic, to be tall, to leap like a gazelle because that’s what runners do.

So I would try various times to run and I didn’t really like it, I’ll be honest. It often hurt, I was prone to shin splints. I would get out of breath. I turn very red very easily so I frequently looked like I am way out of shape. But at least a couple of years ago, I’d say about four years ago I had signed up to do a 5K because it was a fundraiser and for a good cause so I was like, “Okay, yes, I will do that.”

And I went and I actually did enjoy it. I had a good time but it was very festive. It was a fundraiser, there were lots of families, there was runners, there was walkers. So I enjoyed it so I did a few more. And then actually, I think, in 2019 I decided to sign up for a 5K each month. And I would actually do a 5K each month.

Again, did not call myself a runner, one because I could not run a whole 5K. It was always walking. The second is I was always very inconsistent in my training too. To me, one of the reasons why I signed up to do a 5K each month was because if I had a race coming up, this is what I was telling myself, then I would start being active. Because with my work I usually work long hours, something always took me away from being active. And so the 5K would get me back into being active. And that was the mechanism that I used.

Jill: Okay. I feel like this is a very familiar story.

Rebecca: Yes.

Jill: Okay, so you’re doing 5Ks literally every month, not calling yourself a runner because you’re not running the entire time. You’re running part of it but not all of it. What were you getting out of running at that time?

Rebecca: It was a way of being physically active. And I was trying to be more active for two reasons. One is weight loss, as many people do. We try to be more active because we think it’s going to help us. But I did enjoy moving, I always enjoyed feeling active and having something active to do. And frankly, I also love the outdoors. And so the 5Ks, they were outdoors so that aspect of it I always enjoyed.

Jill: Okay. So you’re running and even though you’re not calling yourself a runner, you’re still doing 5Ks. What made you decide to sign up for the Rebel Runner Roadmap then? Since you were already a runner even though you were pretending you weren’t.

Rebecca: Well, a couple of things, one, so the first time I signed up for the roadmap was last April at the start of the pandemic. And that month, that month of March was for so many reasons an awful month.

I was working incredibly long hours because we’re suddenly having to shift to working remotely. I didn’t have all of my team because not a lot of them were set up to work remotely so I’m working even longer hours. And I’m sitting at my desk 14, 16 hours a day at home.

And so I needed something. And I had been listening to your podcast and you had mentioned the 30 day free running kit that you had. So I started with that, I downloaded that. I’m like, “I need something, at least if I had a training plan I would do that.”

But then you started talking about the roadmap and one of the things that I liked about the roadmap that actually made me sign up was the idea of a lifetime access. Because I was like, “Well, I will do this and then with my history, I’m going to quit at some point, I’m going to stop. And then if it opens back up again I can rejoin and then get back into running.”

This was my motivation to actually join the roadmap before I learned everything I needed to from the roadmap as to how I can stay consistent anyway. So I like that there’s lifetime access but you sort of teach us that we don’t need lifetime access in order to be a consistent runner.

Jill: Yeah, but it’s like your safety net, right? I want to make sure everybody knows they don’t ever have to worry that the class is going to be over and then that’s it, they’ve lost their opportunity. I want to make sure everybody has got that clear.

But yeah, I think that that happens a lot to people, that there’s this mindset that, “Oh, I’ve quit on myself in the past, so what makes this time any different?” But you didn’t quit, you joined and you didn’t have to be super concerned about the lifetime access because maybe a switch sort of flipped in you that you went from inconsistent to consistent.

Rebecca: Yes.

Jill: And can you talk a little bit about that?  About that change in your mindset.

Rebecca: Oh yeah, and some of it is the way I talk to myself is probably the biggest shift. So one, before I didn’t call myself a runner, now I was calling myself a runner because, Jill Angie, you said I was a runner. So even if my own thoughts aren’t getting me there I’m going to adopt yours, so thank you.

So there’s that but there’s also the way we talk to ourselves. And one of the phrases I’ve gotten from this group was don’t talk to yourself like an asshole. But I was before, which didn’t make running that much fun if I’m talking to myself about how poor I’m doing, how out of shape it is, how hard it is, this hurts.

I would never say that to someone else, I would never say that to a friend who is out there trying and running. So I stopped saying that to myself. The thoughts might still come up, but now you’ve given us the tools to combat those thoughts.

The second part is just shifting it then to focus on okay, what is it that I really do like about running? Why do I want to run? What do I really like about getting out and doing a run? And when I really started focusing on that, for me it really was at the end of the day joy of movement and going outside and being in the sunshine or the rain or the snow. Because I have ran in all of those conditions. But I can feel the elements on my skin when I go out there and I can just appreciate my body moving.

But the other thing that I think really did help me truly enjoy running and therefore call myself a runner is honestly doing run walk intervals. Because before when I thought I had to run the whole time and then I would talk to myself like an asshole whenever I had to stop and walk.

My body just prefers doing the intervals. I feel so much better, I enjoy the running so much more. And frankly, on those walk breaks it’s a little time to take a breath, reflect a little, focus on my form, my movement, whatever it is, and then I’m back to running for a few more minutes.

And I would say that they’ve been a game changer. I will never got back to trying to run. I mean other people might. And I know there’s other people in Rebel Runner Roadmap and Run Your Best Life who might want to run a mile or five miles or ten miles the whole time, or run for five minutes. I run for two. And I like that, that’s it, that’s enough for me.

And I don’t think I will ever go back to trying to run, I might increase my minutes at some point if I feel like it. But I just so like taking those walk breaks, it just feels so much better in my body. And it’s allowed me to run distances that I would not have believed possible.

Jill: Yeah. Okay, so I love what you said about that allowing you to run distances you wouldn’t have thought possible because I was the same way when I trained for my first half marathon. One of the things that held me back from training for many years was thinking, “Oh, I have to run the whole thing and I can’t do that.”

And then once I realized I can run, walk, run, walk, and that’s legit, then that’s how I trained. And I had the best time, it was so much fun and I thought, “Oh, well then this is just how I’m going to do everything from here on out.” And it allows for consistency, it reduces the chance of injury.

And especially we’re women of a certain age and as one gets older I think it’s important to find ways to keep running that allow you to continue to feel good in your body, continue the movement so that you’re not saying, “Well, if I-” Who wants to be 60 years old and say, “Well, if I have to take walk breaks I’m just not going to do it at all,” Right?

I want to be 80 years old and still doing run walk intervals and still being that person that gets out there. So I’m glad that you brought up that point that it has allowed you to do things that you otherwise might not have been willing to put your body through to do.

Rebecca: Yeah, and I finished my first marathon this summer.

Jill: Yay!

Rebecca: I signed up for another one because one was not enough.

Jill: Of course, I hear they’re like potato chips, one is not enough. Okay, so let’s talk about some of the things you’ve accomplished. And there’s one big elephant in the room that we’re totally going to talk about.

So in the past year and a half you had only been doing, not only, but you had been doing 5Ks and then in the past year and a half you’ve worked your way all the way up to marathon. Talk about that experience, what was that first marathon like for you? And did you do a 10K along the way? Did you do a half marathon or did you jump right into full?

Rebecca: No, I had to build up to it.

Jill: Okay.

Rebecca: Again, I did, even when I joined the Rebel Runner Roadmap the first time my first goal was to do a 10K. Because I thought a 10K was, one, I thought that was only for real runners. Again, these were my comments before. But that was my first goal because that seemed like something that a real runner would do. A 5K, that’s going to be something that’s simple and easier, but a 10K was big.

So that was the first thing I did, that was my first goal coming off the roadmap, was to do a 10K. And I did, and of course when we do that then I joined Run Your best Life. And I’m like, “Now I’m going to do a half marathon.”

And I did, I did the training and I hate to say this almost, it felt so easy and natural at that point. Because with your plan you just build slowly, you start working on those miles, you start adding them, adding them consistently. And then I get to a point where I’m like, “I just ran a half marathon.”

And so I did that and then because I couldn’t stop like three weeks later I do another half marathon, because I now run half marathons.

Jill: Because that’s just who you are.

Rebecca: Yes. But I did not make a goal of doing a marathon, because a marathon still seemed a little out there, until I finished my first half. And looking at finishing my first half and how good I felt after finishing it. Not just for that but also having looked at the training plan. But I could do the training plan, even imperfect.

And this is a perfectly imperfect sticking to that training plan, there were things I missed but I still stuck to it, was consistent in coming back to it, reaching out to coaches when I need to to get advice and make adjustments, that I was like, “Okay, now I can do the marathon.” So now I’m going to do the marathon.

And I did end up with an injury before I started my marathon training. But again, I had this group, I had the training plan whereas before an injury probably would have completely sidelined me and I wouldn’t have done any running. I kept up with strength training because now I’m like, “Oh, strength training is really, really important.” I mean, I know you had said that before, but being injured you’re like, “Oh my God, yes.” because I was not as consistent in my strength training until after that injury. Now, I do not miss because it is so important.

And I knew I could do a marathon now, I had that confidence having not only finished the half but with the thought work know that I could stick to a training plan. And even when things happen that I can make adjustments and adapt.

And frankly, even with the injury, it moved back my marathon training plan by several months, but I could move it back and I was okay. There was some crying and there was some eating of chocolate because of that. But I got back and just readjusted the plan, put it out further, incorporated the PT to get back in and stick to that training plan.

That being said, if we have time I want to share my story about my 16 mile.

Jill: Yes, please. Please do.

Rebecca: Okay. So, I had had a lot of thoughts about the 16 miles because I had done well with the half marathon and felt so good with that distance. Doing the 14 miles on the training plan didn’t seem that big of a deal. Somehow though the 16 miles I was struggling, really struggling with. I’m like, “That’s like real distance now.” And now after a year later this is how the thoughts change.

Jill: Isn’t that funny? 13 miles was suddenly a fake distance and 16 is a real distance?

Rebecca: Yes.

Jill: So fun.

Rebecca: So what I decided to do after being on a coaching call, there was a half marathon, marathon event that was going to be a live event. And so I signed up for that. I was going to do the half marathon and then just do another 5K because my brain then settles down when I hear this, that sounds more doable. Do a half marathon and then just another 5K. So I signed up for that.

Bu this was the first big live race event I was doing and I did everything wrong for this. So it started with the fact that because of Covid they had really stretched out start times, where they would send runners off. And I didn’t know until the Friday before, it was a Sunday race, what my assigned time was. And for a 7:30 start race I was assigned 11:25.

Jill: Oh my goodness.

Rebecca: Yes. So one, it was very stretched out, I know. So I get that assigned time and I’m like, “I’m a morning runner. I’ve always ran in the morning, now what do I do? I need to adjust my fueling, I need to adjust what I’m doing for breakfast.” So this is why I’m glad I had Run Your Best Life. Because the first thing I did was like I’m on the phone like, “Okay, now what do I need to do? How do I adjust this?”

I got some really good advice for that, which I mostly followed. But, as I said, when I went to do this race I did all the things wrong. I started off far too fast, which is a common thing, everything you tell us not to do. Did not pay attention to this until I was about mile two and I finally look at my watch and I’m like, “Oh, this is not sustainable.”

And I’m also sweating because this is now like quarter to 12 in late May and it is hot,  and I was running on pavement at this point so I was dripping sweat. And so I brought my own fuel but I had decided to use the water and the electrolytes they were serving on the race, because this is the benefit of a live race, there are things that are there. But since I was sweating and hot already, I went for the Gatorade instead of the water.

Jill: Oh boy.

Rebecca: And I don’t normally drink Gatorade. I had like four Gatorades by mile five. Yes, so that was not my only mistake.

Jill: Oh, your poor tummy. Oh my gosh.

Rebecca: I had decided, though I had my own fuel, I started really questioning do I have enough fuel? So I decide to grab some of the sports gel that they had there for runners at one of the aid stations. And I sucked that down.

Jill: Okay, right after all the Gatorades.

Rebecca: After all the Gatorades. Then I made another mistake, which was I passed by a porta potty when I started first feeling a little rumbling in the stomach. I was like, “No, no, no, I’m just going to power through this. I can get through this.” That worked until about mile nine. And the stomach and the gastrointestinal issues, they started coming out, Jill, there was no other way of explaining it.

Jill: Oh my goodness.

Rebecca: Yeah, yep. And now there’s no porta potty around, like none.

Jill: Of course not.

Rebecca: Until mile 12. So I’m running for three miles with the juices flowing. I get to the Porta Potty at mile 12, which is the first one available and promptly go in. And that’s when I see the extent of my gastrointestinal issues.

Jill: Oh, poor baby.

Rebecca: I know. This is the other thing, so even though I think you and other people have mentioned before on long runs to carry wipes, I did not have any wipes with me. I had the toilet paper that was there in the porta potty.

Jill: I mean at least there was toilet paper in the Porta Potty.

Rebecca: Yes, for that I was grateful, but it’s Porta Potty toilet paper. It is sucky. And frankly, there was no cleaning up this mess. I mean it’s just front, back. And to top this off, I was wearing a fairly new pair of light coral running shorts.

Jill: Oh my God.

Rebecca: So I’m sitting there in the Porta Potty at mile 12 and going, “Do I call my husband and just have him come get me?” Because I’m about 20 minutes from home. “Or do I finish?” And I’m looking at these things and this is where I started thinking about this group and all the women in it and some of the things that they have done and accomplished.

And what was helpful really, honestly, in that moment was knowing whatever decision I made, whether I decided to quit and just called my husband they would give encouragement. I could hop on a coaching call I would get some great advice, I could reframe it. Or I could continue, and these women would call me a bad ass and then proceed to make a bunch of jokes about my bad ass on this race. And which of those two did I want?

And so I chose to continue, and I did. And I finished, I finished all 16 miles in front of people, in my stained shorts, this is a live race.

Jill: Oh my gosh.

Rebecca: Because I could. Now, at that point I was changing up my run walk intervals because I was doing more walking because while I could still move, the stomach was not feeling the best.

Jill: Right.

Rebecca:  But I did. So I did a post in the Rebel Runner Roadmap about this run with pictures so you all can go and look at that. Find me and in the post in there you can see the pictures and the evidence of my mistakes. But that run and finishing that run just taught me, not only all the stupid things I should not do during a live race, all the things you tell us anyway but sometimes you have to really experience it

Jill: Yes, you do.

Rebecca: But subsequent races and training runs, I go back and I look at that. And it’s really each run and especially each run where you’re stretching yourself, you’re increasing miles or pace or whatever it is you’re doing. Or frankly you’re just having a bad run. You may not be distance wise or pace wise or anything different or maybe easier, but you’re having a particular day or some life event and you go out there and do that and you practice that mental fortitude on that. That’s as important in the training than miles on the feet. And that run was exactly that.

Jill: Yeah, I love that story because you didn’t get just miles on your feet, you got miles on your mind. You got the mental miles in that are, as you pointed out, even more important than the physical miles.

I mean I feel like if you can shit your pants halfway through a run and then continue to run another like seven miles and just say, “Fuck it, I’m just going to finish. I’m going to finish this thing,” your marathon is going to be easy at that point. That takes a lot of mental gymnastics and you did it, and you didn’t die.

Rebecca: I didn’t die. Didn’t get pregnant, didn’t die, didn’t get pregnant, didn’t die.

Jill: Exactly.

Rebecca:  And now I’ve got to add a third thing to my other runs. I didn’t die, I didn’t get pregnant, and I didn’t shit my pants.

Jill: There you go, you have a new bar. So I mean, I think that that’s such a great example of how we – We don’t teach people in the Rebel Roadrunner if you shit yourself you have to go on. But we do teach exactly what you said. You knew whatever choice I make, it’s going to be fine. And then you could decide from there.

You didn’t have to think like, “If I choose to quit, I’m going to be embarrassed. If I choose to keep going, I’m going to be embarrassed.” You’re like, “I just get to decide what’s best for me and know that I’ve got this whole community behind me. And that whatever choice I make is the perfect choice.” So I mean, so you had the freedom to really be like, “Well, what do I actually want to do here?” And then you got to go do it.

Rebecca: Yes.

Jill: I love that. I love that so much.

Well, let’s just talk about, I want to kind of dive into our last weekend where we got to be together in person at Ragnar Wisconsin. And we’re going to do a whole podcast where we’re going to hear from a whole bunch of people that were there. But, I mean, you’re here right now so let’s kind of talk about that in the context of your whole journey as owning your running identity and developing new skills as a runner. What was the race like for you?

Rebecca: It was, honestly, the best race experience I’ve ever had, hands down. It beats the marathon I did. And some of that was I got to connect with this community of women, most I’ve never met before except through Facebook, through Marco Polo’s, through our Zoom calls, on our coaching calls where I get to see them. So that in and of itself was fabulous.

The second is this was also the first time I’m running and I’m running a race or an event with someone, since you partnered us with someone else. And that was such an enjoyable experience, to actually run with someone.

But the other part about this experiences because we had maybe some adverse things that occurred during the event between the rain, the cold, some people getting injured. But because of not only the tools each of us has, in terms of physically running and movement, but also the way we work on our thoughts, and able to shift and focus on that, people’s attitudes were still so positive.

And we looked for the enjoyment and the fun in the experience, even if we’re bitterly complaining about the cold and the rain and what else may be going on. Because honestly, changing in a porta potty in 30 degree weather when you’re sweating, and you have to strip down and wipe yourself off and then put on some new clothes is not the most fun thing.

But there is something about being a badass, because you’re doing that. Because I just finished running in the woods for an hour, and now here’s what I’m doing. And this is what I’m doing for my weekend.

And for me this is also like, this is what I’m doing on it taper week leading up to the Chicago Marathon, for the love of God. It blows my mind that I am now this athletic person where this is what I do on my weekends and this is what I do for my fun. I couldn’t have imagined this. Like two years ago I just could not have imagined that I would be in this position and in this place.

Jill: Yeah. I mean, it’s like you sign up for the Rebel Runner Roadmap and then next thing you know it’s two o’clock in the morning, it’s like 39 degrees outside, it’s pouring down rain, and you’re running in the woods in the dark going, “This is amazing!”

Rebecca: Yes, and actually, so my running partner actually took a video of me because she was behind me while we were doing our, in our case, it was only a 5am run, Jill. It was still dark.

Jill: It was still dark.

Rebecca: It was still dark, it was still pitch black, it was just 5am and a bunch of mud and puddles. But I just so enjoyed and loved that experience because it’s like when else have I gotten to do something like this and something that’s amazing?

And know that, one, I’m physically capable of doing it. But two, I get to do it with someone who is enjoying it as much, and tap off to the next runner, and they’re going to go out and do it again. And they’re excited about going out there and doing it too.

Jill: Yeah, that was such a great weekend. It really, really was.

Rebecca: Yeah.

Jill: I mean, just watching 32 women come together to get it done and to support each other. 32 strangers on top of that, to support each other and to see them arrive as strangers and leave as like lifelong friends with such deep connections.

And we did, I mean, we had, as you know, we had one pretty serious injury. We had a broken arm. And watching everybody rally around our member that had a broken arm and make sure that she got to the hospital and that her car, even her car made it back to Minnesota from Wisconsin. Just all of the love and support, I don’t know, I still get a little teary when I’m thinking about it because it was just so amazing.

Rebecca: Oh yeah.

Jill: And I just feel like there’s nothing, like this is such an unstoppable group of women and what’s so extra special about that is these women who are so unstoppable all started with the thought, “I don’t know if I’m a real runner. I don’t know if this is something I can do.”

And some of them have been running for a few years with Run Your Best Life, some like you have started 18 months ago or two years ago, but it’s just incredible the bonding and the relationships that are built in this group. You guys were elevating each other to be the best version of yourselves. And it just kept piggybacking and piggybacking and it was just amazing. I can’t say enough good things about this group.

Rebecca: Oh, yeah. And in fact, so we have a Marco Polo group that had started off with those of us talking just as we’re doing our training to keep in trust and do accountability and especially now that we have met in person, and I got to lay my hands on these women. We keep Poloing still post-race because we miss each other.

And now we’re talking about much more than just running because we’ve had this shared experience. And had a chance to, honestly, be amazed by each other. And we want to continue that. And it’s such a beautiful thing. And we all say we want another Ragnar, let’s go again.

Jill: Well, we’ve got stuff in the works. We’ve definitely got stuff in the works. But if anybody is listening to this thinking like, “How do I get in on it?” Just join the next Rebel Runner Roadmap, it starts in January. You can go to rebelrunnerroadmap.com and sign up for the wait list. And then once you’re in, you get to meet Rebecca and all the other amazing badasses.

But I guess I have kind of one final question for you. And that is, if you had one piece of advice for somebody who was in the position that you were in thinking, “I don’t know, I’m not very consistent. I’m not a real runner.” Or maybe, “This is going to be too hard for me.” What’s the kind of advice, I mean, I know you would say just join the Rebel Runner Roadmap, but aside from that?

Rebecca: Yes, join Rebel Runner Roadmap, you won’t be disappointed, yada, yada.

Jill: Exactly, but what other piece of advice would you give to somebody who’s just starting out and feeling very insecure or uncertain?

Rebecca: Then this is absolutely the place for you because of the thought work you teach. The biggest difference in me really, it’s not really physical. It’s not even just the running that I do. It’s how I shifted my brain and my thoughts. And we control our own thoughts. I get to think anything I want to. But it is the tools you gave us are taught us to recognize when we have those thoughts that don’t serve, how to shift it. How to reach out to others when we’re having struggles shifting it.

Between the Roadmap and Run Your Best Life I can hop onto coaching calls when I need to. I can reach out to other people in the group when I need to. And I borrow their opinion, if I can’t trust my own. I can get coaching from them. But it really is that change in perspective and thought about what I am capable of.

And also the why. One of the great things I have learned through you and through everything you teach is the point of me signing up for a half marathon, marathon, all of that, it’s not really that I run that event. It is who I became along that process. The mental work I had to do, the things I had to shift around, the adaptability I had to do.

I mean, I did shift before but before I ran my first marathon, like two weeks before that my father got an adverse health diagnosis. I didn’t know I was running the marathon until the day before because he was having a procedure done that was going to see if he can go and have surgery or if he’s going to go into hospice. And he’s 90 years old. I’m like you can’t plan for these things, they happen.

But the thing is, even that, that didn’t derail me because I knew I can do this virtually. I can shift this to another event. It didn’t stop me, it didn’t halt what I was doing. But again, it’s mentally how you prepare us or give us the tools so we can shift those thoughts and keep on our plan or know how we can adjust or shift or adapt.

That is what you get when you really invest in the Roadmap and then in Run Your Best Life. Those are the tools that anyone can do. And that doesn’t require anything physical. That just requires some time with your own brain. It’s not always fun, but it is what is necessary. Because that is where the true change really happens. And then my body just goes along for the ride.

Jill: Right, right. If your brain is in the driver’s seat, your body is just like, “All right, I guess this is what we’re doing now.” Yeah. So fun.

Well, thank you so much, Rebecca, for sharing your time and your story today. And I appreciate how candid you are because I think there’s folks out there that are going to hear what you said and be like, “Oh, okay, maybe this is actually a thing that I can do.”

And so we for sure have converted some folks today into becoming runners that maybe thought they couldn’t do it. So thank you so much for sharing so generously of yourself today.

Rebecca: Of course, yeah. Yeah. And then as long as I’m sharing, I do want to share I have one big, big goal, because, Jill Angie, this is now what you’ve turned me into.

Jill: Oh my goodness. What is it?

Rebecca: I’m going to do an Iron Man.

Jill: Oh my God.

Rebecca: Two years still.

Jill: What?

Rebecca: Why not?

Jill: Oh, I absolutely love this. And I love your reason, because why not? Oh my gosh. All right. Well, two years from now clearly we’re going to be having a totally different conversation here on the podcast. I absolutely love this. Iron Man, fuck yes. Bring it. Bring it on. Oh my gosh.

Okay, well, that is the absolute best way to end this show. Thank you for sharing that with me. That was completely new information. So good. Oh my gosh. Well, thank you. Thank you for sharing. Thank you for coming out with your big announcement here on the show too. So you guys heard it here first. Rebecca, two years, Iron Man. I’m all in. I’m all in.

Rebecca: Yes, yeah. I’m going to be 52, why not?

Jill: Yes, perfect. I love this so much. All right, thank you so much for being here.

Rebecca: All right. Thanks, Jill.

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